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by Richard Goutal
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Did you join Renegade Pro because of the training?
Did you read Ann Sieg’s books and then look for step-by-step help in implementing what you learned from her?
Did you read Magnetic Sponsoring, but then decided you wanted to participate in the kind of training available at the Renegade Professional?
If so, you aren’t alone. That’s what brought me to the site months ago, and many others have joined for the same reason.
In the beginning, when I understood that the site was primarily about the training tutorials, I had the crazy idea of just staying long enough (maybe 3-4 months) to study as many tutorials as possible, and then quit the site. But life interfered and I also wandered about the net buying other training products, and … fortunately I didn’t quit.
Actually, I still haven’t finished the tutorials, but along the way I discovered something.
The Renegade Professional is a lot more than the training. It’s also a Community.
To be honest, the “community” was largely invisible to me for many months. I knew there were Super Guides; it took me a while to grasp that the Super Guides
- Are not just about the wonderful one-to-one help they give to many people.
- Are not just about the training videos that they created and added to those of founder Mike Klingler’s.
- Are not just about the articles they wrote and the manner in which they helped to draw in more members.
What I had not realized is that when Mike encouraged these early participants to get involved and contribute, they began to interact with one another.
Though they represented many different backgrounds (and MLM companies!) they began to see opportunities to grow relationships. And so the RenPro Community gave birth.
Here’s an example of what happened from there:
Six women, brought together by a common bond collaborated on a webinar and e-book. This helped to bring new people to the Renegade. Shortly thereafter, Barbara Silva began the pilot version of Coaching Cognition, as a result of the coaching classes and coaching one another, were drawn even closer. The Community expanded and deepened.
We know that the site has evolved and will continue to do so.
But the aspect of community has taken a life of its own!
During my first eight months in The Renegade Professional, I was like the Prodigal Trainee. I jumped about looking for the “real thing.” I didn’t have a lot of knowledge or experience so I was easily distracted by the great squeeze pages and allure of other internet marketing gurus. (Mike warns against this in several videos, but I let it roll off me without grasping it. Because of this, I was not one of the early Super Guides.)
I was busy reading and researching and comparing the gurus. Who was more experienced and successful? Who was less expensive? Who offered more bonuses? Who had a personality more pleasing to me?
During those first eight months I bought memberships and materials from at least five other internet marketing leaders. I have met people who have bought from far more people than that!
Here are two key things that I didn’t fully grasp at the beginning:
- The Renegade Professional provides training on everything that can be learned from the sites of the other gurus. What I know now is that:
- I wasted time and money wandering about. Unfortunately, this is an all too common regret of beginners.
- If you stick with RenPro systematically, the other sites are superfluous. RenPro training is thoroughly customizable and thoroughly applicable to every skill level, certainly to the edge of the “somewhat Seasoned Smart Professional level.”
It’s easy to be lured by the thought:
“But the other gurus provide so much good information!”
That’s true, but what they teach, that is applicable to smart beginners and to early smart professionals is available in the RenPro training tutorials.
Only The Renegade Professional Provides and Promotes Community.
The RenPro site is totally unique.
Think about it.
Other “gurus” provide internet marketing training sites, yet with no way for members to even know who the other students are. Does that sound like community?
I won’t name these sites, well-respected though they are, but face it, there is no opportunity to contribute or engage at any level; the value is solely about the training provided by the “guru.”
These are knowledgeable marketing individuals who do not want to give away their pedestal. Their name, face, and words predominate every corner of the site. There is no opportunity to contribute; they don’t want “competition” on their own site.
So how does the Renegade Professional site promote community?
Please watch my video. It only takes 5 minutes and, I respectfully suggest, you need to understand this.
Richard Goutal is a business consultant specializing in human performance improvement in the workplace and in home business. He focuses on helping home business owners collaborate with others.
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Richard,
I agree 100% totally with everything you said.
Renegade Professional is not just a place to learn advanced techniques for practically every aspect of online marketing through the training tutorials in the back office.
It is also a family community of like-minded, hungry individuals, who want to advance their skills as a professional entrepreneur.
This community has been my backbone to the future success I always new I was capable of achieving.
There are so many individuals here that touched my life, and given me the added drive “I needed” to conquer my goals.
Not just business goals either, this community has given me a different mindset with my family too.
A mindset that enables me to create better ways to develop a tight-knit, unbreakable, bonding family.
Let’s face the fact, I heard it many times in our community, it’s not easy to build a successful business and keep the family as your nu
It was a blessing in disguise!
Just to name of few of these inspirational “friends,” even though I never met any of you in person yet, you guys/gals especially became a big part of my daily life. These include: Patrice Walker, Barbara Silva, Michael Wilson, Mike Klingler, Eric Walker, Ann Sieg, and let me not forget Mark Hoverson.
This has been such an incredible journey for me so far, and to think it only started about 1 yearn ago with signing up with Renegade Professional.
Now, I am enrolled in PBN, Coaching Cognition, Leadership Branding, and have a private coach to keep it all balanced.
All I can say is WOW! Look how far I’ve come in just 1 year!
I not one to “toot my own horn,” but I’m extremely happy with everything I accomplished so far.
So, with that said, I just want to thank everyone of you who touched my life so far, and given me the little nudge I needed to fulfill my dreams.
Thank you,
David Kovach
Comment by David Kovach — March 19, 2010 @ 7:33 pm
Sorry, but some how I hit the wrong button. Here’s the rest of the sentence; Let’s face the fact, I heard it many times in our community, it’s not easy to build a successful business and keep the family as your number 1 priority. As we know, in order to succeed you must follow through and put the time in!
Renegade Professional was a blessing in disguise!
Comment by David Kovach — March 19, 2010 @ 7:41 pm
Hello Richard,
I so enjoyed reading this article. I am, where, you were a couple of years ago. I only found Renegade this year. Like you, I have been distracted by other marketers offering to make me wealthy! If only!!!
Like you, I have stayed with Renegade, but I should have heeded Mike’s advice a long time ago and ingnored the temptation to read and listen to the hype of others and………….waste valuable time!!!
But now, I am concentrating on really understanding, and appreciating, each little success I have along the way In RP – like someone buying Ann’s book today!!! Do you know how good that feels????? My FIRST sale!
I know that I am not as productive as I need to be right now. Nor do I have a really organised business plan. You talked about making suggestions, so here is one for the less-discipled/less organised within our community. What about a step-by-step ‘How To’in order to establish one’s self online? That would be so much easier for me to follow. I don’t know what this would look like because we are such a diverse group of people. But what I do know, is but for my highly-organised husband (a mathematician) I would never have arrived at the place I am at on my journey, in a hundred years!
Comment by Maria — March 19, 2010 @ 8:36 pm
Hi Richard,
I agree with all that you have said. The Renegade community is a bunch of amazing people. I live in New Zealand and I now feel so much closer to like minded people. Thank you for sharing your perspective.
Very best wishes,
Helen
Comment by Helen Wenley — March 19, 2010 @ 9:02 pm
Hi Richard,
I agree it is much more than a training site. I have met some of my best friends and of course business partners through Renegade Breakthrough Mentoring. I now meet and collaborate with people from literally all around the world.
The renegade community is definitely one of a kind.
Comment by Tracey Hausel — March 20, 2010 @ 2:21 pm
I appreciate the hearty agreement. Thanks for joining the discussion.
@David – Thanks for sharing your story in detail and providing encouragement to the whole community. I’d encourage you to, ah, er… toot your own horn! Add your link to your name when you make a post. I Googled your name and found you do in fact have nice SBI site under development. It’s worth linking to! Here’s another way to toot your own horn! – Gravatars
http://www.marketingmergenetwork.com/internet-network-marketing/2010/3/4/attention-smart-beginners-make-sure-you-get-a-gravatar.html
@Maria – Yep, looks like we have traveled a similar road, as have others! As for step by step path, you might want to reach out to your Guide or a Superguide. I found that a little wind from a Guide would be enough to nudge me back on path. (Again, something found in this Community and not elsewhere!) I hope you didn’t miss the helpful links and associated video in this article:
http://renegadeprofessionalnews.com/customize-your-training.html
Also, I trust you caught Eric Walker’s ongoing series for the Smart Beginner. If not,- here is one archived video –
http://www.renegadeprofessionalnews.com/attraction_marketing_webinar.html#1686_1
And here is where you can get on the list so that you don’t miss them
http://www.siteproweb.com/smart-beginner-training-webinar-series-a
And if you already knew that stuff, as they say, please disregard! All the best!
@Helen and Tracey – Yes, we can make friends and even develop partnerships with people around the world! International Renegades!
-Richard
Comment by Richard Goutal — March 22, 2010 @ 9:06 am
I’m on a very tight shoestring budget but I’ve still tried to implement the excellent training I’ve gotten from Renegade University and from my Renegade subscription this month.
The main problem I’m facing is not being able to generate the necessary cash flow (from monetzation) for the resources I need (eg. Renegade Professional monthly subscription, How I Built my First List, etc.) establish a successful online business.
My lack of cashflow is preventing me from effectively implementing the attraction network marketing traininig into a successful online business.
What can I do to overcome these obastacles and keep them from preventing my progress?
Comment by Eunice Reyes — March 22, 2010 @ 12:08 pm
@Eunice,
There are two ways to approach your question.
One is more coaching (the inner journey) and the other consulting (outer journey).
I’m going to tackle this one from the “Inner Journey” side today… Because I sense understandable anxiety (caused by the financial challenge), which is blocking you from getting where you’re trying to go more than anything else.
There are many doors one must walk through to succeed.
The first is to focus “at least” 80% of your attention (thoughts, questions, emotional energy spent, etc) on the solution rather than the problem.
Based on your post I can see that this is the first door for you to walk through next… shift the emphasis in your mind from the problems and challenges and onto mainly the solutions. Right now you’re focused on what you lack (enough money) and you will forever stay in a vicious cycle of turmoil until THAT is addressed first.
Once you do that, you’ll immediately open up to different questions (and new solutions). Your emotional and creative energy will not be drained–you’ll become lighter and more open to ‘figuring out’ the answers (like what your niche market is, how to connect with them, what your brand should be, etc).
Tomorrow I’ll address your question a different way–from the “outer” consultative approach (the “how to” stuff, what to do next exactly, physically).
One door at a time!
Mike
Comment by Mike Klingler — March 22, 2010 @ 12:12 pm
Richard,
What a fantastic observation. People helping one another — community. The true giving spirit espoused by Bob Burg in The Go-Giver (as I have written in several places, the “bible” of attraction marketing. What better place to learn to give than in a community of like-minded people who are all “in it together.”
Bless you, brother!
Jerry
Comment by Jerry Graham — March 22, 2010 @ 12:16 pm
Thanks Richard, all this can be easily overlooked when you are beginning your journey. I am a fine example of this. I currently have 2 tickets to the Leadership Branding Training Seminar in Las Vegas on 15th, 16th and 17th April with Ann Seig and Mark Hoverson. I cannot make it myself but would like to exchange them with a senior mentor for training, and where is the one place I overlooked to make this a reality? Exactly, right here in the Renegade Community!
Thanks again for the reminder, anyone interested could you please contact me through my blog.
Lee
Comment by Lee Taylor — March 22, 2010 @ 1:30 pm
Yes, I agree that being part of a “community” and that feeling of belonging to a community is very important. And for those who are not ready or just can’t find the time to be a super-guide, you can still be a part of the community.
You can find wonderful people from those faces right here on this blog and also at Mike Klingler’s and Eric Walker’s Facebook page. “Click” on the faces, then find their blog, make some comments on it, and those people will go and comment on your blog.
If you focus on just a few people each week, soon you’ll find that you’re getting to know people in Renegade, and you’ll BE part of the community.
The best part about getting to know people in Renegade, is that we are all learning Attraction Marketing. And, those who understand Attraction Marketing understand the value of being friends with someone, and contributing is valuable.
Comment by Julieanne van Zyl — March 22, 2010 @ 1:36 pm
What a great article and video Richard! I couldn’t agree more. When you join Renegade Professional you are joining more than a training program. You are joining a community of like-minded people. One of the things I love best is that there is a true abundance mentality whereby people give without expecting to receive.
Many thanks for sharing.
Cindy
Comment by Cindy Schulson — March 22, 2010 @ 2:08 pm
Richard,
this is a great article brimming with observations and heartfelt honesty. Some of your comments remind me of me! Like you, I first thought I’d stick with RenPro until I had learned how to get ahead, without realising how much more to this there is than mere internet marketing know-how.
This is about helping peoples’ lives. I was first introduced to this sense of community through SBI which is where I found Ann and The Renegade Network Marketer. From this I discovered the one thing which really connects people within this community: the truth.
The truth about what it really takes to build a business and really help people. It’s about being authentic as Mike Klingler puts it – this was my “a-ha” moment! Once I heard Mike say that, I knew I was “home” so-to-speak.
It’s the first time I have EVER heard a teacher/coach utter those words. And what a difference. Like they say, when you start telling the truth, people will be attracted to you.
I wish you and yours all the very best
Richard
Comment by Richard Anderson — March 22, 2010 @ 2:09 pm
What a great artical and video, you are an example of what can be achieved by being apart of Renegade.You have odviousley learned and then took action to put into place.
I am completely new to the whole internet marketing field and I am so grateful that I found this system without wasting time and money on others.
I think I have found and joined the best and looking at your efforts has confirmed my belief.
Love and Light
LINDA
Comment by Linda Tinsley — March 22, 2010 @ 3:26 pm
Hey, Richard: Thank you for the information. I can feel your sincerity, and appreciate your thoughtfulness in putting the video together. Wow, you sure are creative. Hope to develop those skills too. I am a smart beginner, and I belive as I continue to go through the tutorials at renegadepro, I will become valueable to my markets giving them guidance, training, and solutions. Thanks again, Richard.
Comment by Gilbert James — March 22, 2010 @ 7:55 pm
Richard,
Your six minute video called, “The Renegade Professional Site: My Prospective” was very insightful. I related to the visuals immediately
Your message is more than the community. It is about encouraging us to move further. It is about receiving practical training, establishing collaboration networks, and developing personal leadership.
Thank you for motivating us!
Comment by John Balbach — March 23, 2010 @ 5:41 am
Richard, thanks for this great article and I also agree and relate to what you say. I joined RP last April and intended to only stay for a few months until I had learnt what I needed to know. What I never bargained on is that there is always something new being added and it’s not just a matter of working through the tutorials as I initally thought. Everyone at RP is producing such valuable content and the support and encouragement from fellow RP members is so valuable I recognise that I need to stay.
I have done a little of everything except videos and I know that now I need to build on what I’ve already accomplished and pluck up the courage to try videos. I would have loved to join the Coaching Cognition and the Leadership Branding courses but lack of finances hold me back. However, I figure that if I keep plugging away I will eventually be able to afford to in the future.
I find the more I set up the more there is to maintain and progress forward has slowed considerably. I too have also wasted a lot of time reading what the fb community bombard me with and I have to be very disciplined not to flit around from one to the other. You are absolutely right when you say everything we need is here at Renegade.
I’m so grateful that I stumbled upon RP when I did. Keep up the good work all of you who contribute to the RP back office.
Comment by Pat Price — March 23, 2010 @ 6:07 am
Hi Richard
To feelof belong to a community is much important.
The humen being is a social ‘creature’.
“Helping others get what THEY want (especially in this industry) will allow you to get what YOU want”
Comment by Lea Sedan — March 23, 2010 @ 8:55 am
Great post Richard!
Having a community to come to, connect with and rely on for support is so important. It’s what Bonnie Smith Sylvia also talks about in this short video from the first Renegade Professional live event: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDt7IQy2b6w
“We are not alone!”
Comment by Diyana Alcheva — March 23, 2010 @ 10:34 am
Richard! great article, man can I relate to all the ups and downs you were talking about. Sounds like the old song, (first you say you will and than you won’t)but I have been down the same road, but I finally woke up and I’m sticking with Renegade Pro and following all the tutorials in order. I even figured out how to do my first squidoo and get it published, whoopee ! but ya it’s a great site. And to Eunice, I can relate to your predicament it’s all too familiar, I’m in the same boat but hang in there and focus and keep your head up and listen to Mike Klingler, he is the man. Thanks again Richard.
Comment by Mike Baglio — March 23, 2010 @ 11:10 am
@Eunice,
As promised in my last response, I reflected on your question again today so I could respond to it from another angle — the ‘external’ approach, also known as the consultative approach (in contrast to the “internal” coaching approach I responded with yesterday):
My last response is above at: http://renegadeprofessionalnews.com/#comment-3503
Your problem comes down to you needing more money.
It sounds like your first step is creating about $100 a month to meet basic business expenses (access to training, blog, auto responder, misc)?
So, that leaves us with an option for a part-time job… about 10 hours a month at $10/hour (or 15 hours a month to account for taxes, etc).
That should do it!
The external ‘consulting’ response in this case isn’t as eye opening perhaps as the last ‘coaching’ response. But it is indeed a solution that will solve the problem.
If getting a part time job isn’t of interest to you, there are other solutions (there always are). If that is the case, my previous response is the most effective way to find a solution: http://renegadeprofessionalnews.com/#comment-3503
Believe in yourself and believe in your imagination!
Mike
P.S. Here are links to two articles I recently created to help one speed up their process for wealth creation (wealth being defined by you):
http://hubpages.com/hub/Putting-Your-Business-Online-Are-You-A-Smart-Beginner-or-Smart-Professional
http://hubpages.com/hub/The-Marketing-Equation-See-It-Solve-It-Simple
Comment by Mike Klingler — March 23, 2010 @ 11:28 am
Hey Richard,
This post conveys to me a most compelling message to anyone I refer to Renegade Professional. It will certainly be a part of my promotional message.
Why?
1. You are compelling, your story replicates the wanderings and searching of many. Your story strikes a chord for me with the realization, of the many choices out there, Renegade Professional tops them all.
2. Truth, that honours the values others bring to the marketplace, but recognizes that there comes a time when a student of internet marketing does well to choose who they will follow and stick with the program.
3. It took awhile for me, but Mike actually was the hub of community in the early days with our conference calls. Now, Renegade Pro reaches out to it’s vast audience through venues like this, Live Events, making resources available and real people accessible.
4. Your video, my friend. Well, it’s been said before and can be said again. You have done a captivating, expressive visual to emphasize the reality of community and participation.
Great job, friend.
Comment by Pat Campbell — March 23, 2010 @ 8:23 pm
Hi Richard,
What a terrific article and video! It certainly hit home with me. I’ve been a member of Ren Pro for awhile, but have followed your first path for too long now! Becoming a part of, and participating in, the community is exactly what I need to feel like I belong and grow the confidence I so badly need in myself.
I so appreciate your message, and the example you set for those of us still finding our way.
Now, on to finding a guide!
Susan
Comment by Susan Beauchamp — March 24, 2010 @ 9:46 am
There’s one thing you discover from this community of people. We’ve all have had to grapple with the same challenges.
I recently made the decision that I would narrow my associations to a select few, they are here in RP.
Essentially, I’m taking the advice I gave to me youngest son. His group of friends was too large. I would tell him that hanging around too many people would cause him some pain one day. It did!
One of the biggest problems that I was facing was that of listening to all the noise on the Internet. I was hanging around with too many people. This fragmented my efforts and caused me pain.
This community of Renegade Professionals is an association that I’m growing to appreciate and respect!
Comment by Jay Dyson — March 26, 2010 @ 6:15 am
@Jay,
That’s some wisdom! Thank you for a great comment.
_Eric Walker
Comment by ericwalker — March 26, 2010 @ 8:31 am
Hi Richard,
Thanks for the gravatar tip, I always wondered how to get my photo in there.
Have a nice weekend,
David
Comment by David Kovach — March 27, 2010 @ 10:11 am
Wow, I’m totally surprised to see so many comments to my article. It is interesting to see so many that agreed with some of the friendly advice. Quite a few mentioned how the community provides support. Again as many mentioned the need to stay focused on Renegade training amidst the allure of so much else. Thanks for all of the confirming stories and personal experiences.
Mike already addressed a concern raised about making money (quickly) to pay for ongoing membership and other start up costs of internet marketing. However, Eunice’s letter has been on my mind for a week and I can’t let it rest because I believe it is also a concern of many others. When am I going to see the money come rolling in?
My own thought is that a lot of this concern is created by unrealistic expectations. Depending how much you know about the internet and software applications, it is possible for some to generate some early front-end money — the so-called funded proposal notion. But even that requires a lot of skill in generating traffic to the various possible squeeze pages. I did not do well at that. I also didn’t concentrate on that too much. In my first few weeks with the Renegade Marketer, I tried a lot of TrafficSwarm ads, had a few purchases. But honestly, I didn’t know much about writing with pull and the Renegade Pro didn’t even exist at that point.
Many months later, many months wasted also (as has been noted over and over by others in the comments), I am just now getting a clearer idea of a niche and focus. However, … in all these months I have not made money. I am not complaining, just sharing. I understand VERY well what should be done from the very start. I have written about it! But I have hard a difficult time actually applying it to my situation. I doubt very much that I’m alone.
You see, the technical skills are indeed very important. I don’t think you can expect to grow much in those skills in one month or even 2 or 3. However, those technical skills (like opening a HubPages account and setting up one article there) are essentially **practice** activities. It’s a bit like asking middle school students to take a little bit of art, music, sports, shop, home ec (do they still have that?), technology, and other courses – they are meant to help you find your strong points. So the Back Office has a lot of tutorials to give you practice in writing, in copywriting, in video, and social media, and more. All of this practicing and experimenting takes time. Some decide early on what they are good at and stick to one thing and perfect it. But for most of us it takes a while.
But beyond the technical skills is something far more critical to your “fast” success. It is getting the big picture. It is establishing your niche, target audience, keywords… as soon as possible. The faster you can get away from thinking that “my niche is other internet network marketers” or “my target audience is boomers” the faster you can even **begin** to hope of making enough money to cover your expenses. Why? Because those are not actually niches and you **don’t have a business** yet!
For some, this comment will be seen as negative or discouraging. I surely do not mean it to be. I have many financial pressures. I try to set them aside. I focus on the daily and weekly tasks that will get me to where I need to be. Despite all the skills that I have, there is still much to be set into place. I am continuing to get it set up, thanks to a lot of help along the way from some really kind SuperGuides.
So I say again, you will make a little money along the way, but internet marketing is not something that will put **most** people into the black starting in the 2nd month, followed by increasing riches. There is a lot to learn, a lot to fine tune, and a lot of significant business decisions about focus to be made.
For those that are ready to quit because of not enough immediate income, I ask: Have you been paying attention to Eric’s Smart Beginner Webinar series? Over and over again he has devoted the bulk of his time –in all of the first 3 webinars– to critical first decisions. In the recent “Content” webinar, he called this the “First Tier” issues. You can’t just by-pass what he is talking about and expect to make money!
Mike suggested a part time job to Eunice. I say, do whatever you have to do — if you love learning this and love crafting your own business future. If there is no love for this, if it is a quick fix… then get out before you go into debt for nothing.
Because for most of us, it is about Patience, Prioritizing, Persevering… and then the Paycheck. All the while enjoying the ride.
I hope this comes across with the love I mean for it. And if others disagree with anything I have said, do feel free to say so.
Comment by Richard Goutal — March 27, 2010 @ 9:49 pm